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Is the AKA trying to destroy leopard an rotax racing?
It appears that the AKA are trying to destroy leopard an rotax racing as they are limiting the amount of races to 6 per year. I am a keen leopard driver an want to race against other leopards on yellows not sportsman on reds. Is there any other leopard an rotax drivers out there that feel the same?
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Permalink Reply by Simon Thomas on -
Makes you wonder doesn't it..
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Permalink Reply by Richard Tarrant on -
Yep I'm with Scott I've just got to step up from restricted to open and I'm loving it now it looks grim is the aka going to pay me back for all my I think not so wake up aka
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Permalink Reply by Shane Karandrews on -
Yep I hate it to. I want to race other Rotax drivers not a mixture. I know everyone will jump on it and say no one supports clubs and need to cut classes and run bigger fields and all that crap.
Just run both and see which one can out last the other.
When Ipswich first started running Tag we had good numbers in Rotax heavy 18 plus on a club day (on average) with two leopards. Why change a class for two people.......
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Permalink Reply by Phil Warder on -
Hi Scott how many classes do you think a club can run, do you want to run 15 classes at a race meeting . Each with 3 or 4 in each race.
I know I don't. In NSW sportsman is growing every year, the TAG Super Series has had some very good field of 20 in light and 20 in Heavy.
The sport has to be for everyone not just Leopard and Rotax.
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Permalink Reply by Don Ingram on -
Correct, different areas have different pools of particular classes. Trying to eliminate a class which is a key class to a club or area just forces down noms and club income. The end result is a hit to membership numbers and financial injury to the club.
Phil Warder said:The sport has to be for everyone .
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Permalink Reply by Sean Phillips on -
In WA for 2012 season most of the events are running under sportsman 125 and run reds on club days and yellows at opens... King of the Hill meeting last year had 15 x 125 sportsman H and 16 x 125 sportsman L, when they run as separate Rotax and Leopard classes their lucky to even get a class!!!!
Bloody good idea at a state level for most meetings, and the mix of Rotax, X-30 (and also they let the RL's and fireballs run at -5kg so they even up the older motors) is very close, pretty much the same speed around the track, guy on pole at King of the Hill in 125 H was a Rotax, followed by 2 X-30's.. Finishing order was X-30's 1st and 2nd Rotax right behind in 3rd...
The class is a bit like the old stock reed class back in the day, all types of engines all running in the same class, great fields and every one happy......
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Permalink Reply by Scott Dagan on
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In central queensland we have large numbers of leopard an rotax an get decent numbers at our club meets. So why cant we run them as a class if we choose. We get no senior j light or heavy at club meets. So why does the aka have the right to tell us what classes we can run it should be upto the clubs to decide what is best to run for there area.
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Permalink Reply by Pete Mitchell on -
That's probably correct but slowly Rotax wasnt supporting itself for reason I don't know but I highly doubt it's because of the minimal leopards or x30 that joined the fray ages ago. At Ipswich the tag fields look healthy to me and I'm yet to hear any of the drivers complaining. They just want competition nd that's what they are getting. Rotax is not dominating nor is the x30. That tells me it's very competitive and the club day racer is enjoying it at least from my point of view. As to see which one outlasts the other well currently I don't think Rotax is doing itself any favours at the minute.. There's room for both especially at club level where majority of Karters race and there's some great racing between both makes.
IMO.
Shane Karandrews said:Yep I hate it to. I want to race other Rotax drivers not a mixture. I know everyone will jump on it and say no one supports clubs and need to cut classes and run bigger fields and all that crap.
Just run both and see which one can out last the other.
When Ipswich first started running Tag we had good numbers in Rotax heavy 18 plus on a club day (on average) with two leopards. Why change a class for two people.......
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Permalink Reply by David Arnold on
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You will never please everone all the time. GIve Sportsman a go and see what numbers you get. Seperate Rotax and Leopard was not supported at most events, enough to get consistant classes to form, so this on the whole was not working either.
Anyone that is any good will still be at the front.
My only other sugestion is perhaps there should be one promoter event at each club in the state. This would then show up very quickly how dedicated the Leopard and rotax drivers are to see just how far they will travel to race their class. I would be willing to bet that these classes would still not form at regional events.
Time will tell, if parity is good then lets just get on with enjoying racing.
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Permalink Reply by Colin (Chief) on
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Thats where it a joke to run MG Yellows at opens and MG Reds at clubdays which really mean ya need 4 sets of tyres if you run a clubrun one weekend then an Open meeting the following weekend. And everybody know how hard Yellows on the body compared to Reds. AKA make rules then all the clubs wanna run there own rules. Its a joke.
Sean Phillips said:In WA for 2012 season most of the events are running under sportsman 125 and run reds on club days and yellows at opens... King of the Hill meeting last year had 15 x 125 sportsman H and 16 x 125 sportsman L, when they run as separate Rotax and Leopard classes their lucky to even get a class!!!!
Bloody good idea at a state level for most meetings, and the mix of Rotax, X-30 (and also they let the RL's and fireballs run at -5kg so they even up the older motors) is very close, pretty much the same speed around the track, guy on pole at King of the Hill in 125 H was a Rotax, followed by 2 X-30's.. Finishing order was X-30's 1st and 2nd Rotax right behind in 3rd...
The class is a bit like the old stock reed class back in the day, all types of engines all running in the same class, great fields and every one happy......
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Permalink Reply by Sean Phillips on
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Yeah their probably wont be any one set of rules that work for everyone... blokes who are not really up to racing on Yellows complain about not being fit or strong enough to handle yellows, the young guns don;t want to run on low grip reds...
At least now in WA everyone knows what tires to buy before a race meeting, 1 week before the king of the hill meeting last year a special note went out to say their running on Yellows, was going into Flat Outs to buy a set of Red's that week and luckily got the message in time a bought yellows... So i guess the good thing is now their is a CLEAR rule for 2012...
In my case i need to buy a new set of Yellows every time a meeting is run on Yellows because running them at an open meeting 2nd time is impossible if you want to be competitive, but now for clubdays i can buy a set of reds, have them sitting on spare rims and drop them on when i want to do a fang at a club day, 3 meetings no problems from them... Last club day last year i ran an old set of reds i scabbed off a mate that did the nationals in clubman and still won the day, if they were Yellows that wouldn't happen... I think the new rules in WA are as close as we are ever going to get to keeping most drivers happy...
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Permalink Reply by Lennie Duyvestyn on -
Your forgetting Colin that the idea behind Rotax and Leopard was for higher power quick classes, that were more affordable than Piston Port, Resa and Formula 100 due to the longer rebuild times and higher reliability. Thats why the classes need to be on a sticky tyre, otherwise they may aswell have not bothered introducing them in the first place. I raced Resa a couple of times to help the guys make up numbers at Oakleigh after the class changed from Dunlop SL4's to MG reds, and it really lost a lot of appeal. Lap times were down by about a second a lap, they were actually slower than the times Clubby Light was doing on YEQ's in 98,99 and I think 2000.
If people want something easy on the body they can race in J's, Clubby's, Restricted, or alternately (given that its older people that have the trouble with the body taking a pounding) run an over 35's or over 40's class on Reds.
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