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Hey, 

Just wondering where is the best place to put lead is?
I have to put 32kG on the kart but don't know where it is best for balance and whatnot. 
This is with a full tank of fuel... 

Where do I start?

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You are only allowed to fix lead to the frame and the seat, but that's an awful lot of lead. You need to check the maximum kart weight for your class before you put it all on. If you exceed the limit, you can't race it anyway.

Agree with the above re overall maximum kart weight. Check your class.Never heard of anyone putting 32 kg weight on kart. Helped mate put 20kg lead on his kart. Put it 35% at front & 65% at rear. Get cheap scales (4) & put 1 under each wheel & use them to balance the kart. What class lets you put that much lead on the kart?

Considering a Rotax kart weighs about 84kg yours would weigh 116kg! Good luck getting it off the trolley!

I'm in Tag Restricted Light, the minimum weight is 167kG...

richard gagie said:

Agree with the above re overall maximum kart weight. Check your class.Never heard of anyone putting 32 kg weight on kart. Helped mate put 20kg lead on his kart. Put it 35% at front & 65% at rear. Get cheap scales (4) & put 1 under each wheel & use them to balance the kart. What class lets you put that much lead on the kart?

Considering a Rotax kart weighs about 84kg yours would weigh 116kg! Good luck getting it off the trolley!

I tried checking on the new regulation booklet... 
There's no minimum/maximum kart weight for my class [Tag Restricted Light]
Only for TagR Medium and Heavy... 

Gerard Paull said:

You are only allowed to fix lead to the frame and the seat, but that's an awful lot of lead. You need to check the maximum kart weight for your class before you put it all on. If you exceed the limit, you can't race it anyway.

Based on this information you must weigh around 50 kg. As I said above good luck with getting a kart weighing 116kg to the ground.

Correct.

There is no Maximum Kart weights in any Light class..

Should have gone KA3 Light where the class weight is only 149kg



Kristian Mizdrak said:

I tried checking on the new regulation booklet... 
There's no minimum/maximum kart weight for my class [Tag Restricted Light]
Only for TagR Medium and Heavy... 

Gerard Paull said:

You are only allowed to fix lead to the frame and the seat, but that's an awful lot of lead. You need to check the maximum kart weight for your class before you put it all on. If you exceed the limit, you can't race it anyway.

I would be very surprised if the Clerk of the Course let this kart  participate because it is dangerous. Nearly 2.5 times the weight of the driver. We used to call them 'missiles'!

No official is yet to say anything for the lead... I've raced a meeting and 2 practice sessions and no-one's said anything. 
Maybe they'll say something later on... 

richard gagie said:

I would be very surprised if the Clerk of the Course let this kart  participate because it is dangerous. Nearly 2.5 times the weight of the driver. We used to call them 'missiles'!

Richard, is there such a rule? not sure myself, would be difficult to define "Dangerous" However I agree it will be a nightmare to handle at any race meeting.

Kristian, Officials are one thing, but your fellow competitors can also make it difficult if there is a rule as Richard suggests.. Last thing you would want is to win the Local Club Champs and then have another competitor wind a "Bluey"  "Pinky?" on you?

Max

Hi Max  -been a while   :)

Of course there is no such rule and has never been.

More than a few years ago when I was VP I instigated a survey across the clubs to look at weights and quite a few came back with their findings from talking to drivers in the weigh shed and took driver weights and kart weights as they finished.

Across the board it was highlighted that the light classes were without exception too heavy  and this was confirmed by the lead that was carried on karts.

Interestingly the heavy classes were close to being correct and could have carried another 5 kg without causing distress.

When you consider both junior  and senior light ..... a lot of drivers have moved up from the younger classes and the big jump in weights are not justified.

Also generally you could say older drivers coming into the sport are more rotund  and move straight to heavy or supers.

Of course there are always exceptions  but the sport should cater for the average.

My son was always overweight in every class he raced and it was not that much of a handicap

(couple of years ago he was fastest qualifier at the open states in Rotax Heavy  when 10kg over.

Conversely that amount of lead is a non reactive problem for all concerned

And for the record ...... the light weights should have been reduced by 12 kg ..... but of course it never happened

But I'm sure Kristian would love to take off 12 kgs   !!

Good to catch up Ian,

Yes I remember the weight survey that was done, principally by you, and I think we all contributed in our own small way.

Not sure that KA has got it right at the moment, I look after two Tag R Guys  one in each weight class and we struggle to get it right? Also Ian the racing these days is far "Closer" and 1 Kg is often the difference, Pro Tour at the Creek this weekend the T Light Class has 35 entrants (40 in total) with a 1 second spread over all of them, gotta wonder what the weight spread is?.

However Kristian, it is what it is and you can only continue to work out "HOW" my suggestion would be to have a look at some of the weight set up's that the endro guys use, some are very inventive and allow small changes readily.

Max.

As a 62 kg 68 year old running an x30 in the TAG restricted light class the 20 kg of lead I have to run makes the kart almost unmanageable when not on the track.   It would be nice to run in a masters class but the 40 kg of lead is impossible.   The cost of the lead is not the only penalty.    A system that allowed a smaller restrictor in lieu of some of the weight penalty would be a far better system as it would get the kart weight down to a safer more manageable level.  I would also accept a class weight 12 kg lighter and maybe people would stop running if I needed a lift with the kart.

Stewart.      

Ian Mooney said:

Hi Max  -been a while   :)

Of course there is no such rule and has never been.

More than a few years ago when I was VP I instigated a survey across the clubs to look at weights and quite a few came back with their findings from talking to drivers in the weigh shed and took driver weights and kart weights as they finished.

Across the board it was highlighted that the light classes were without exception too heavy  and this was confirmed by the lead that was carried on karts.

Interestingly the heavy classes were close to being correct and could have carried another 5 kg without causing distress.

When you consider both junior  and senior light ..... a lot of drivers have moved up from the younger classes and the big jump in weights are not justified.

Also generally you could say older drivers coming into the sport are more rotund  and move straight to heavy or supers.

Of course there are always exceptions  but the sport should cater for the average.

My son was always overweight in every class he raced and it was not that much of a handicap

(couple of years ago he was fastest qualifier at the open states in Rotax Heavy  when 10kg over.

Conversely that amount of lead is a non reactive problem for all concerned

And for the record ...... the light weights should have been reduced by 12 kg ..... but of course it never happened

But I'm sure Kristian would love to take off 12 kgs   !!

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