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Vintage and Historic Karts Australia

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Bolivar Historic Grand Prix 2018. 1 Reply

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Mount Gambier Entry Form 2018 Meeting

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Comment by Stephen Moxon 8 hours ago

Come on fellas, we do not need anyone else to be injured. Apart from matching the kart to the log book, this is really the only safety device to be looked at.

I do not think "bead restrainers" are required, maybe "brain restrainers"!

Comment by Don Singline 12 hours ago

Bob Wanless you are absolutely correct , all this chest beating , is only drawing unnecessary attention to the Vintage Concept. What will some with the "do-gooder" outlook want next , "bead retainers " on Spun Alloy & Nylite wheels!!

Sidepods fitted to ALL ERAS !!!!

Comment by Max Laybutt 18 hours ago

Allan,

I bought my last one off Mike Best, Maybe he can organize some more?

Max.

Comment by Allan Savins yesterday

Max,

Those chain guards came from the UK. I bought a few for my motors. Can't remember exactly how I found the seller... eBay?

Allan

Comment by Robert Wanless yesterday

So guys

Who is going to be the lucky Vintage scrutineer that is going to be responsible for the implementation of this chain/finger guard rule & what happens if someone is injured if their kart does not have an appropriate chain/finger guard & has been "scrutineered" who gets sued.

Self scrutineering is common at most meetings I have attended & has it,s issues but mistakes do occur if karters are left to their own devices as various people have different views on the demonstrateability of their vintage kart.

Personally I think a scrutineer could go through the pits a most meetings & knock back quite a few karts for various issues.

I think it is time move on from this issue & let common sense prevail.

Bob

Comment by Max Laybutt yesterday

OK, All fitted!

I think I originally bought this of Mike Best, who had them made?

Mike do you still have any, or can you get some more made?

I could handle at least 2 more?

Max.

Comment by Allan King on Thursday

Max,

My understanding is only slide carburettors constitute a "guard" to the extent that the sprocket is physically blocked by the slide housing but with a butterfly carb the sprocket is still exposed and would require a separate covering.....but I could be wrong....

Comment by Malcolm Cooper on Thursday

Well the chain guard saga has taken off, hasn't it! 

For me the devil in the wording is if you call it a "chain guard" or a "finger guard" and then there is "nip points" and "sprocket guards".  

If you read the rule book (page 153) Guards rule 9-g-iii-b it states "must provide enough protection to prevent any part of the driver becoming trapped in the chain or belt" ( note this the present day rule)- That's fairly explicit as to what KA is trying to achieve. 

Now if you read (page 236 - Vintage)  rule, chapter 20-10 - it states "Notwithstanding the requirements of rule 8-b all vintage karts must be fitted with an operable chain guard".  Bit vague, but none the less, there is nothing about fingers guards, just chain guards and nothing about parts of the driver  being trapped in the chain!

Ssoo are to assume one fits whatever chain guards were applicable for the period? 

For me personally the first time finger guards raised their ugly head was at the 1987 national championships at Couckburn in WA ,which had every man and his dog racing around wire tying pieces of number plate to their existing chain guard and that was it for ever and ever amen.

I personally have a era 4 and 5 karts so I fit finger guards, and if some scrutineers want finger guards, then fit them - if only for your own health, cause if you ask any "stumpy" they will tell you how much it HURTS when you do it!  Now something else to consider, we have to wear current day safety equipment and overalls to comply, thats not all that much difference to protecting fingers.

As far as rotary valves are concerned I would use the heatproof locking nuts (have slits in nut) to attach the carbie or lock tight, because you can't make a chain/finger guard to cater for a carbie falling off.

So to sum up  - a bit of common sense is the go

Comment by Max Laybutt on Wednesday

Rod and All,

I agree, however I am still not clear on the requirement for Rotary Valve motors.

Is the Carburetor accepted as OK? (as a finger guard)

Or is there now a requirement for something else / extra?

Regards

Max.

Comment by Rod Williams on Wednesday

Thank you Heath and Allan and all others for your response to my questions.

We need to use this site more often for queries or questions we need to ask.

Once again thank you.

Regards

RodW.

 

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